RV.Net Open Roads Forum: Fifth-Wheels: The Truth about Pin Weight

Lighter-Weight Fifth-Wheels | Trailer Life

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Now that you’ve decided to buy a trailer, the real fun begins: Do you opt for a travel trailer or a fifth-wheel? In the past, your tow vehicle often made quick work of that dilemma — larger, full-size truck owners could choose between the two trailer types, while owners of lesser-rated trucks were restricted to far less fifth-wheel options, or to selecting from the vast travel-trailer pool.

But these days, buyers are faced with a bevy of options of lighter-weight fifth-wheels, thanks in part to changes in the construction process, and the fact that many trucks have had their tow ratings boosted dramatically in recent years.

Following is a collection of some of our favorite lighter-weight fivers. We set the cap at 10,000 pounds — a weight provided by the manufacturer that includes LP-gas but no water — which should help you get a basic idea of the weight range.

Once that’s been established, be sure your tow vehicle is properly rated to handle the trailer’s weight; check your tow vehicle’s tow rating (available in the Towing Guides here on www.trailerlife.com, or by contacting the manufacturer) before plunking down any cash.

Allen Camper Idle-Time 8-2690 RETS
The Idle-Time 8-2690 RETS is a lighter-weight fiver that’s half-ton towable, yet is designed to include most of the amenities found in larger, heavier fifth-wheels.

The trailer comes standard with rear-living-area opposing dual slides that house the sofa and dinette — both of which make into full-size beds for overnight guests. The entertainment center features an electric fireplace and an electric pop-up flat-screen TV. The floorplan offers an optional wardrobe slideout in the master bedroom, while the bathroom includes a neo-angle shower with a glass door and a linen closet. The unit comes standard with aluminum siding, which can be replaced by the optional lightweight fiberglass.

Weight: 6,500 lb
Gvwr: 8,400 lb
Ccc: 1,837 lb
Hitch Weight: 1,400 lb
Ext Length: 26′ 11″
LPG: 14 gal
Freshwater: 46 gal
Gray/Black Water: 30 gal/ 38 gal
MSRP: $26,550
(580) 857-2413,  www.allencampermfg.com

Coachmen Chaparral Lite 275 RLS
The Chaparral Lite fifth-wheel is designed with ease of towing and campground maneuverability in mind. The kingpin box placement and aerodynamic fiberglass front cap combine with Coachmen TurnTec Engineering to help achieve a 90-degree turning radius, which is great for shortbed trucks. Chaparrals are built with aluminum frames and floors, in addition to Azdel composite materials in the side walls, which help maintain a lighter weight and greater longevity. A convenience docking station outside places the holding-tank valves in one convenient location, meaning you won’t have to crawl around to empty your tanks. Highlights inside the Chaparral include hardwood cabinet doors, a pillowtop queen mattress and a “Televator,” which moves the TV up and down with the push of a button.

Weight: 7,771 lb
Gvwr: 9,892 lb
Ccc: 1,869 lb
Hitch Weight: 1,730 lb
Ext Length: 29′ 10″
LPG: 14 gal
Freshwater: 47 gal
Gray/Black Water: 42 gal/ 42 gal
MSRP: $34,990
(574) 825-5821,  www.coachmenrv.com

CrossRoads RV Cruiser CF 335SS
Designers of the Cruiser’s interior clearly had an eye toward entertaining. The galley features a center kitchen island, which increases the already expansive solid-surface counter top. The living room includes a large built-in entertainment center, a freestanding dinette with four chairs, a sofa bed with an innerspring mattress and two residential swivel/rockers, all of which add up to plenty of seating for guests.

The side-aisle bathroom features two entry doors, meaning guests don’t have to trudge through your bedroom to use the facilities. The master bedroom features a pillow-top queen mattress, designer bedspread and his-and-hers wardrobe closets. Exterior highlights include a Rota-flex pin box, Equa-flex suspension, high-gloss gelcoat exterior walls, 16-inch aluminum wheels and 50-amp electrical service with second A/C prep.

Weight: 9,798 lb
Gvwr: 12,484 lb
Ccc: 2,434 lb
Hitch Weight: 2,083 lb
Ext Length: 34′ 11″
LPG: 14 gal
Freshwater: 58 gal
Gray/Black Water: 80 gal/ 40 gal
MSRP: $49,025
(888) 226-7496, www.crossroadsrv.com

Eveland’s Scamp 19
By far the most compact trailer in this roundup, the Scamp 19 is designed for compact truck owners. That means owners of Ford Rangers, Dodge Dakotas and Chevy Colorados can join the fiver crowd. The trailer features a loft queen bed (think truck camper) and a convertible dinette and sofa bed, bringing the sleeping capacity to six people. An LP-gas stove, galley sink and optional side bathroom all enhance livability. The no-frills unit comes standard with fiberglass cabinets inside, but buyers can select from a surprisingly large array of options, including oak or birch cabinetry, a refrigerator, a microwave, cable TV hookup/antenna, a conventional oven and a 16,000-BTU furnace, to name a few. The trailer’s low price and ease of maneuvering make the Scamp popular with people who want to get into a fifth-wheel.

Weight: 2,400 lb
Gvwr: 3,500 lb
Ccc: 1,058 lb
Hitch Weight: 400 lb
Ext Length: 19′
LPG: 10 gal
Freshwater: 12 gal
Gray/Black Water: 26 gal/ 9 gal
MSRP: $19,895
(218) 947-4932, www.scamptrailers.com

Forest River Cedar Creek Silverback 29RE
The 29RE is currently Cedar Creek’s best-selling Silverback floorplan, and with good reason. The all-aluminum super-structure leads to a relatively lightweight, fully loaded unit that’s easy to tow thanks to a 90-degree turning radius, Dexter axles and an E-Z Flex suspension. Plus, the gelcoat exterior adds to durability and overall aesthetics. Three slideouts open up the interior, which includes highlights like standard recliners, Corian countertops and a rear entertainment center that includes a 32-inch LCD HDTV. The living-area and kitchen slides feature cathedral-style vaulted ceilings with solid-wood fascia. Popular options include an electric fireplace, a booth dinette in place of the standard freestanding table and chairs and a king bed.

Weight: 9,790 lb
Gvwr: 13,615 lb
Ccc: 3,766 lb
Hitch Weight: 1,615 lb
Ext Length: 34′ 7″
LPG: 14 gal
Freshwater: 64 gal
Gray/Black Water: 40 gal/ 80 gal
MSRP: $51,090
(260) 593-2404, www.forestriverinc.com

Heartland ElkRidge 27RLSS
Heartland claims that ElkRidge trailers come equipped with more standard features than any other fiver on the market. While that may be debatable, what isn’t is the long list of amenities found inside and out, including large storage areas, stainless-steel hardware, laminated fiberglass side walls, a rear ladder and a Trail-Air Equa-Flex suspension.

Inside is a sofa bed with inflatable mattress, which also allows for deep-drawer storage beneath for bedding and other items. ElkRidge trailers also offer “wireless convenience,” which enables users to remotely operate the front landing gear, rear stabilizers, awning, slideouts and exterior lights at the push of a button. An extended hitch pin makes ElkRidge trailers a great choice for short-bed, extended-cab pickup owners.

Weight: 8,617 lb
Gvwr: 13,665 lb
Ccc: 4,968 lb
Hitch Weight: 1,665 lb
Ext Length: 29′ 11″
LPG: 14 gal
Freshwater: 57 gal
Gray/Black Water: 80 gal/ 40 gal
MSRP: $30,500
(574) 266-8726, www.heartlandrvs.com

Holiday Rambler Savoy LX FW 32 RKT
Based on nearly 60 years of brand-name recognition, chances are you have seen a Holiday Rambler at your favorite campground. The reason, claims HR, is the superior build-quality and ease of towing afforded by the Savoy LX. An enclosed underbelly protects the holding tank. The 32FKRT features a rear kitchen with an L-shaped solid-surface countertop that works to create a true galley area, in addition to a wide-open living room. A residential-style home-theater system keeps owners entertained, while tinted-safety glass not only helps with privacy, but also keeps the unit cooler. Plus, a standard battery-disconnect switch makes for worry-free storage.

Weight: 9,098 lb
Gvwr: 12,400 lb
Ccc: 3,050 lb
Hitch Weight: 2,010 lb
Ext Length: 34′ 3″
LPG: 14 gal
Freshwater: 50 gal
Gray/Black Water: 40 gal/ 40 gal
MSRP: $35,770
(800) 877-0870, www.holidayrambler.com

Jayco Eagle Super Lite Half-Ton FW 26.5RLS
The Eagle SL HT is designed specifically to be towed by a half-ton truck, and still manages to feature many amenities of larger fifth-wheels. Its lower aerodynamic profile leads to smoother towing, and the new full-body gray fiberglass exterior is a real head-turner. Standard construction on the Eagle includes a gelcoat front cap; TuffShell vacuum-bonded laminated floor, side walls and slide rooms; a structural I-beam frame; and reflective-foil insulation in the slideout room(s) and floor.

The interior boasts Concord Cherry cabinetry, residential-style furniture, an optional wardrobe slide in the bedroom and a side-aisle bath configuration. Outside, there’s plenty of basement storage, and the exterior kitchen makes connecting with the outdoors while dining a breeze. Options include an electric patio awning, a sofa bed with inflatable mattress and electric stabilizer jacks.

Weight: 6,800 lb
Gvwr: 9,950 lb
Ccc: 3,091 lb
Hitch Weight: 1,435 lb
Ext Length: 29′ 9″
LPG: 14 gal
Freshwater: 48 gal
Gray/Black Water: 32 gal/ 32 gal
MSRP: $30,550
(574) 825-5861, www.jayco.com

Keystone High Country Cougar 291 RLS
Keystone has utilized advanced materials and manufacturing technology in a process the company has dubbed Helium Technology to reduce the weight of the laminated HC Cougar. Outside, the Max Turn Technology front cap features tapered edges on the bottom of both sides to help create a tight turning radius. A Hitch Vision system makes hitching and unhitching easy, while the EZ Camp LCD wireless remote control allows owners to control the slideouts, landing and stabilizer jacks, patio awning and outside light with push-button ease.

The interior features a full-depth 38-inch sofa slide, solid hardwood Glazed Cherry cabinet doors, Corian countertops and a freestanding dinette that can slide back and forth to increase space between the seating and the fixed table. The Cougar also offers an abundance of wardrobe, overhead and cupboard storage, making it a great choice for extended stays at the RV park.

Weight: 7,150 lb
Gvwr: 9,000 lb
Ccc: 1,598 lb
Hitch Weight: 1,155 lb
Ext Length: 30′ 9″
LPG: 14 gal
Freshwater: 47 gal
Gray/Black Water: 56 gal/ 28 gal
MSRP: $34,000
(574) 535-2115, www.keystonerv.com

KZ Durango 1500 245 RL
The Durango 1500 is available in eight floorplans, all of which are half-ton towable. The dual-slide RL features a rear living-room layout that packs a lot of open space into a (relatively) smaller package. The optional inflatable air mattress for the sofa bed offers guests a comfortable night’s sleep, and the standard 32-inch LCD TV and home-theater system will provide entertainment. The galley features a 6-cu-ft refrigerator, microwave and three-burner stove, and the wrought-iron accents on the valances and cherry-toned cabinetry give the 1500 a touch of class.

The Durango comes standard with heated tanks, an enclosed underbelly and a front cap, adding to the streamlined appearance. Options include an electric fireplace, central-vacuum system, Equa-Flex suspension and a Sidewinder hitch. A finished basement storage area, grab-bar assist handle and stabilizer jacks show that KZ-RV has the serious RVer in mind.

Weight: 6,963 lb
Gvwr: 8,800 lb
Ccc: 1,837 lb
Hitch Weight: 1,279 lb
Ext Length: 27′ 11″
LPG: 15 gal
Freshwater: 55 gal
Gray/Black Water: 32 gal/ 32 gal
MSRP: $34,450
(866) 472-5460, www.kz-rv.com

Northwood 235RLS Fox Mountain
Northwood is known for its four-season livability, and the 235RLS continues that trend. An enclosed chassis with heated holding tanks — along with beefed-up insulation in the roof and floors — keeps things cozy. Dual-pane windows are a popular option to help with the four-season capabilities. A fiberglass front cap, molded-wheel-well skirts and a shock-absorbing rubberized suspension mean the trailer is built to last in extreme towing situations, and its increased ground clearance helps protect the undercarriage while straying from the beaten path.

Inside, a rear slide houses either a full-width sofa or two optional recliners, and the galley with a peninsula counter configuration makes the trailer ideal for hosting a few visitors over the weekend. The master features a custom headboard, a pillowtop mattress and a residential wardrobe to help enhance the extended-stay livability.

Weight: 6,833 lb
Gvwr: 8,500 lb
Ccc: 1,608 lb
Hitch Weight: 1,394 lb
Ext Length: 27′ 2″
LPG: 14 gal
Freshwater: 60 gal
Gray/Black Water: 40 gal/ 30 gal
MSRP: $33,361
(541) 962-6274, www.northwoodmfg.com

Palomino Thoroughbred F829 BHSB
Built with an all-aluminum superstructure and vacuum-bonded laminated construction, the Thoroughbred lineup of fifth-wheels has been designed to be lightweight and durable for extended-stay use. Standards such as a fiberglass exterior, a molded spare-tire cover and an EPDM rubber roof add to the long-term livability.

The fivers also feature many upscale interior amenities generally reserved for higher-priced models. Options include a U-shape dinette, a countertop extension, La-Z-Boy recliners and a raised refrigerator door upgrade. The rear of the trailer houses a bunk bed, which makes it a great choice for RVing families.

Of note on this particular model are the optional solarium windows, which help bring the outdoors in.

Weight: 7,253 lb
Gvwr: 8,644
Ccc: 1,328 lb
Hitch Weight: 1,644 lb
Ext Length: 32′ 6″
LPG: 14 gal
Freshwater: 32 gal
Gray/Black Water: 69 gal/ 31 gal
MSRP: $29,019
(269) 432-3271, www.palominorv.com

Starcraft Lexion S-Lite 315BSSA
What immediately grabs an RVer’s attention in the Lexion S-Lite is the optional Ledgestone fireplace in the rear, an elegant feature not found in many trailers. The fact that it comes with a 40-inch HDTV doesn’t hurt things either. Lexion S-Lite fivers feature a host of amenities designed to make the trailer more like a home. Corian countertops, an open-kitchen arrangement and a living area with a stand-alone recliner and end table (in addition to the sofa bed and dinette) make you believe you’re in a model home; rear electric stabilizer jacks, a high-gloss gelcoat exterior, vacuum-bonded lamination and a MOR/ryde CRE 3000 suspension system help make this mid-profile fifth-wheel worthy of that feeling. Plus, the master bedroom features a queen bed and ample storage — including a chest of drawers — and the optional bunk/trundle bed option further expands the residential options.

Weight: 9,240 lb
Gvwr: 11,700
Ccc: 2,401 lb
Hitch Weight: 2,030 lb
Ext Length: 34′ 8″
LPG: 14 gal
Freshwater: 76 gal
Gray/Black Water: 32 gal/ 65 gal
MSRP: $40,708
(800) 945-4787, www.starcraftcamping.com

RV.Net Open Roads Forum: Fifth-Wheels: Average pin weight?

sunline5er wrote:

I realize the topic of this thread is controversial. As an individual who was looking at several different models of fifth wheel recently before making a purchase, I want to lay to rest some of the fallacies that are posted here so often.

Myth #1: Pin weight = 20-25% of the GVWR of the trailer
Truth: Pin weight = ACTUAL PIN WEIGHT

I just bought a Big Horn 3670RL against the advice of many on this forum who said (publicly and privately) that my 2003 2500HD D/A truck would be WAY overloaded. Why? Because the GVWR of the fifth wheel (published at 16k lbs), and 25% of that is 4,000 lbs which would be my ACTUAL pin weight, once loaded. Even the «conservative» estimate of 20% returns a 3,200lb pin weight, which would be way to much for my truck. With that, I agree wholeheartedly. (note: my trailer GVWR is actually 18k due to upgrade axles I ordered, but let’s assume the lower numbers for arguments sake).

After reading all these posts I became very afraid that I was buying too much trailer. So, I drove down to the factory. The «published» dry pin weight is about 2090lbs. I had the factory weigh the pin on my unit. It came in at 2206 lbs, which includes empty propane tanks, a battery, and a full water heater (12 gal).

Today, on the way home from our second trip, we hit the CAT scale. I have attached the weigh tickets. The trailer was FULLY loaded (clothes, food, basement full of tools/bikes/chairs) and 218 pounds of firewood in the bed. We did not burn the firewood on the trip, as it was SUPER windy.

The pin weight of the trailer came in at 2,520 lbs. For reference, that is 15.75% of GVWR, *FULLY LOADED*. This includes full propane, and all gear needed for camping. The vehicle included myself (180lbs), wife (120lbs) and two small children. All holding tanks are empty. I cannot imagine loading too much more stuff into this camper. This is our 5th camper, so we know what we need to travel and don’t anticipate accumulating too much more «stuff».

Now, I realize I am going to get flamed for being 580lbs over the GVWR of my truck, which is a fair criticism. Here is what I am doing to mitigate that issue:

1. Won’t carry firewood anymore, we can purchase that locally (and usually do so).

2. Won’t carry bikes in the basement (approx 100lbs). This was not something we intend to do going forward, but the basement is so huge I could not resist the temptation. Rear bike rack to be ordered.

3. Firestone Ride-Rite airbags ordered, arriving Tuesday.

This puts me only 268lbs over GVWR, fully loaded. And some of the weight police were brazen enough to question my ethics, morale character, and patriotism!! Really???

This is not an «I-told-you-so» post. I’m hoping that in the future if a newbie does a search, he will come across this post, among others, to see that there is no magic formula to determine pin weight, and it IS possible to tow a nice size 5th wheel with a 3/4 ton truck.

The real secret is this… you can figure out your pin weight by… WEIGHING THE PIN WEIGHT OF THE TRAILER!! Most any dealer should have a portable scale that can be placed on the forklift used to move 5’ers around. And if it meant making a sale, I’m betting most would be happy to oblige a customer wanting to know ACTUAL pin weights of different models.

With this real pin weight (usually including a battery but not propane), a potential customer can easily determine their loaded pin weight by adding for propane and their gear. Some of the weight added by the end user will almost directly add to pin weight. Some will only partially be distributed to the pin. And some of it will subtract from pin weight. A little math makes it pretty easy to determine roughly what the loaded weight will be.

Yes, I am overloaded. Barely. Yes, I still feel safe. I’m still under front axle rating, rear axle rating, tire rating, GCVWR. I ordered oversized brakes on the Bighorn, Goodyear G614 tires, new E-rated tires for my truck, and never exceed 65mph towing. I’m safe. Or at least, I’m safer than the guy with the F-150 this morning, pulling a Jayco 5th wheel, who looked at me and said «I sure wouldn’t want to tow that!!»

In short, the heuristics are wrong. At least for me, and many of the Heartland 5th wheel products. Get the weights. Do some math. Then decide if your truck will be overloaded. Don’t rely on some grossly inaccurate formula to do the figuring for you. And if your REAL WEIGHTS tell you that you are under your limit, don’t let the fear monger weight police tell you that you’re a 9/11 bomber-in-waiting for contemplating your purchase.

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Well listed below is a link to your trailer’s specs. I don’t care what anybody thinks, a 3/4 ton truck is too light for a 16,000 GVWR trailer with two 7000# axles.

bkcauley wrote:

Sorry if this is in the wrong area. Ive towed a travel trailer with a hitch weight of roughly 825 and it was very comfortable, ive found a few light 5th wheel campers I like and was wondering what would be a good pin weight to stay around. My truck is a 2014 gmc sierra 1500 crew cab with 3.42 gear and 1680 available payload. I only travel alone im 150 add 200 for full fuel so that knocks it down to about 1300-1330 ish. Ive found some that are 1250 I like but I also have to count in the weight of the bed receiver which I have no clue how much that weighs. Would I be cutting it to close? or should I just stay with the TT’s?

You will get input from weight police types that a 1/2 is just a grocery getter and other such non sense.
Your 1500 truck can handle a small 5th wheel trailer….. but it may not be the castle of your dreams.

According to GM online ordering guide your ’14 1500 GMC has a 9600 lb tow rating which no doubt the truck can pull that much weight.
However as others pointed out the 20% pin weight = of a 9600 lb trailer = 1900 lb pin weight. So obviously a lighter weight trailer is needed. Any std duty 1500 trucks achilles heel is those small 3800-3900 lb RAWR/P tire ratings which will carry the hitch load.

I would look at 5th wheel trailers with a 900-1100 lb dry pin weight. «Generally» that means up to a 26′-27′ 5th wheel trailer…..maybe with a slide. Check these examples out ……http://www.allencampermfgcoinc.com/Up-to-27—5th-Wheel.html

There are 5th wheel trailer out here that will fit your 1500 trucks requirements.


«good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment» ………… Will Rogers

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I’ve weighed 3 times:

1) At the beginning of this season, so I had a margin load and no water in either tank. This would be what I consider a light load for us.
my CAT scaled pin weight was 16.6%

2) At the height of the summer season and just prior to a 3-week trip. I even had an extra adult staying with us.
my CAT scaled pin weight was 17.1%

3) Just this past weekend with a completely empty fiver as it waits for a trip back to the factory.
my CAT scaled pin weight was 14.8%

And, for the record- doing the math on the dry hitch weight divided by dry weight gives you 15.4%.

The reason being- this camper has dual opposing slides at the rear of the camper. As well as the main living slide spans the axles (some of it forward, some of it rear).

As you can see, the more stuff in the basement and front bedroom- the higher my pin weight, but unless I’m loading bricks or landscaping material in the fiver’s basement- I am NOT hitting 20%.


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Everyone would agree that you need to add extra lbs to dry pin weight for more accuracy. I will say however, when we bought our ’06 Cedar Creek Silverback 33 LBHTS, it’s dry advertised pin was 1800 and dry weight was 10,800 with max GVW of 13,800. Fully loaded for a week for 5 people, 1 dog, pin was just over 1900 and 13,000. So IMO, weights may differ greatly amoung mfr’s.

That being said, here is a good example. Our new coach’s weights from Mfr say: dry pin 2,888, empty 13,420, CCC 2532, max GVW 16,000. After we picked it up, went right to a CAT scale which resulted in: pin 2860, empty 14,000 (which leads to a CCC of 2,000). Fully loaded for a week (3 people, 1 dog, 1 cat), pin 3800, trailer itself 15,980 (which means we had 1980 lbs of stuff in it). Ironically, that means we had about the same amount of weight of stuff w/ old CC as well, BUT GAINED 1,000 lbs on pin which I feel has a lot to do w/ design of coach.

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boubou64 wrote:

1/2 ton Dodge Ram 1500 QuadCab 4X4 short box with Hemi, 20 inch wheels.

I want to get a 5th wheel for it and I know I am very limited due to payload and stuff.

GVWR 6700 lbs

Payload 1336 lbs

GCWR 1300 lbs

Tow: 7500 lbs

with those numbers I want to play it SAFE. I will not get something that is over the limit.

I’ve been looking on the net and 2 companies stand out for light hitch weight.

There are quite a few light weight 5th wheels but the hitch weights are mostly too large.

There’s the Skyline company with the model 195

http://www.nomadrv.com/product.php?brand……..ion=616{amp}amp;state=Ontario{amp}amp;form=floorplans#UL

4100 lbs

hitch 775 lbs

and theres’ the Cikira luxlite and they show anywhere from 21 to 25 foot with dry hitch weight between 300 and 430 lbs.

http://www.cikirarv.com/products/5th-wheels/luxlite

Any other choices with light below 800 lbs hitch weight?

Starting with your payload of 1336#, we subract 300# for a sliding hitch, then subtract another 300# (minumum) for you and the other half. That leaves 736# for pin weight. Since the pin weight is usually about 20%, multiply 736# times 5 to get the actual towing weight of the loaded 5ver your truck can tow =={amp}gt; 3680#.

In other words, your truck can properly tow a 3680# fifth wheel.

The Lux Lite coaches you linked to include both travel trailers and 5th wheels. Only the 22CK and 265RK are 5th wheels, the rest are TT’s. The 225CK has a dry brochure axle weight of 3608# pin weight of 420# = 4,028# for a bare trailer. Except, that doesn’t include mandatory options such as A/C (100#), spare tire (70#), awning (50#), microwave (20#), stabilizer jacks (20#), stereo {amp}amp; speakers (5#), outside shower (5#). That’s another 270# for a realistic dry weight of 4,300#.

Then add 40# for LP and at least 700# for personal stuff and food and you are easily over 5,000#. Which is good for a 1,000# pin weight.

You’ll either need to get more truck or adjust you sights for a smaller TT instead of a 5ver.


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