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Heaviest buck ever killed

A big deer in NY or anywhere is one of those things that you’ll know one when you see one ….. lol. I’m sure it is different to each hunter. For me it doesn’t relate to any kind of score. I couldn’t tell you anything about the score of any deer even if it was laying on the ground with a tape measure next to it. Fact is, I don’t relate to bucks in that way. If I look at a deer and it has a certain massive look to it, that deer is to me a big deer. It doesn’t even need to be a buck to impress me as a big deer. However, as far as racks are concerned, there is again just a general impression that registers with me. A rack may be heavy and massive, or have exceptional height or width, or any combination of these things and I’ll tell you that my impression was that it was a big deer.

Average deer? Do you mean an average that takes in all bucks, including buttons and spikes. If so, I’ve got to believe that the estimates that I have seen in this thread are all way too high. Either that or if we really do have a overall herd average anywhere near 100 or 130 then we don’t really have any need for talk about AR? When you say average, I assume you mean a mathmatical average of all bucks in the area and that would include all those little wee runt yearlings. I think that average is generally going to come out pretty darn low unless you hunt on a game preserve with a whole bunch of trophy monsters to bring the average up a bunch. Come to think about it, how many of us can really offer much of a credible guess. I mean it’s not like we have the ability to herd all the deer together and make a real honest guess…..lol.

Doc

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Biggest bucks ever recorded in the state were shot in Allegany County in 1939.

Here is my garage, some of the bucks I shot that I didn’t get mounted. None of them are huge, but I was happy to take each and every one. They are «average» bucks in my opinion.

Here is one taken by my buddy’s son, outside of Wellsville in 2008. Scored just shy of 160, gross. Now that is big for our area. Anything over 120 is big, here.

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There was a day not so long ago when deer hunters across North America were absolutely fascinated with big bucks.

No, not big racks — big bucks. Huge, giant, monstrous creatures. Or, as the old-timers called them, “real slobberknockers.”

Antlers were adored, but they were almost secondary when it came to describing a buck’s status. “What did he weigh?” was often the first question asked of a successful hunter. This infatuation hasn’t died completely. A buck’s hog-dressed weight is still a badge of honor for hunters in the Northeast, Upper Great Lakes and Canada.

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Lee Lakosky shot a buck he called ‘Gnarls Barkely’ a few years ago. This deer tipped the scales at nearly 300 pounds on the hoof. (Photo: Lee and Tiffany Lakosky of The Crush TV)

From what we can gather, the heaviest whitetail ever shot was killed by a bow-hunter, John Annett of Ontario, in 1977. The deer field dressed 431 pounds on government-certified scales. That would have given it an estimated live weight of more than 540 pounds. However,  reports indicate the buck was butchered before Canadian authorities could inspect it.

Second place seemingly belongs to a 402-pound Minnesota buck killed by Carl Lenander Jr. in 1926.  Conservation officials estimated the live weight at 511 pounds.

This giant buck was shot near Gaspe Quebec in Fall 2005. It field-dressed at 260 pounds, making its live weight well near the 300-pound mark.

This giant buck was shot near Gaspe Quebec in Fall 2005. It field-dressed at 260 pounds, making its live weight well near the 300-pound mark.

Third place would go to a Maine buck killed by Horace R. Hinckley in 1955. Hinckley reportedly spent three days searching for a scale large enough to properly weigh his buck. With a Maine Sealer of Weights witness present, the buck officially tipped the scales at 355 pounds, giving it a live weight of 451 pounds. Hinckley’s buck had a 28-inch neck girth and a 56-inch chest girth.

Fourth place goes to a 321-pound buck killed in Bayfield County, Wisconsin, in 1938. We don’t know the hunter’s name, but the weight was verified. Fifth place would have to go to a buck killed in New York in 1946. That deer officially weighed 291 pounds dressed.

These rankings are open for debate. While researching this topic with my friend Keith McCaffery, a retired deer research biologist, we found several mentions of heavier deer. However, none of those weights were verified. Included in that list are a 1907 Wisconsin buck that allegedly weighed 437 pounds dressed, and a 1924 Wisconsin buck that weighed 386 pounds.

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New York State Record Book Whitetail Member Photos

It is virtually impossible to drive anywhere in most regions of New York State today during the late afternoon and early evening hours and not see several whitetail deer.  They are everywhere, either feeding in farm fields, standing by tree lines,  or crossing the roadway.  They are our most common large mammal, and never more so than right now.  The extent of their current population is enough to stagger the imagination.  And nowhere in this state is the whitetail deer more evident and observable than right here in the Finger Lakes.

The Department of Environmental Conservation estimates that New York’s current deer population exceeds one million animals.  Other wildlife experts in a position to know consider that figure to be conservative, and place the actual population figure at closer to one-and-a-half million animals.  Regardless, this state currently has the highest whitetail deer population in its history, and the overall number continues to grow with each passing year.

But it wasn’t always that way.  Before the first European settlers arrived in what today is Virginia and Massachusetts, the whitetail deer was just one of many large forest dwellers.  It is estimated that the population then was between three-and-a-half and six million deer in all of North America.  Their population was limited naturally by several factors, including hunting by Native Americans, predators such as wolves and cougars, as well as limited forest openings and a general lack of under-story growth (browse).  Competition with other species for the limited grass in natural burn areas was another factor.  The grass had to feed herds of bison and elk, as well as deer.

The arrival of settlers changed all that, and a period of turmoil for the deer arrived. Clearings were carved out of virgin forests as farmers cleared land for crops.  The whitetail deer was very adaptable, even back then, and soon learned to avoid humans while taking advantage of the new food supply they brought with them.  The settlers took deer for their subsistence needs, and a “buck” skin became the primary monetary unit of the entire frontier for well over a century.

It was unregulated market hunting that almost sent the whitetail into the abyss of extinction.  The first laws protecting deer and/or regulating deer hunting were not passed until late in the nineteenth century.  By then the deer population had fallen to dramatic lows.  It is estimated there were probably no more than 500,000 deer in all of America at the turn of the century, and sighting one or even finding fresh tracks became the talk of the town for weeks afterward.

Several factors intertwined early in the 20th century to insure the survival of the whitetail.  By the end of 1910 every state had a viable force of game wardens to fight illegal hunting.  And, at around the same time, many of the small family farms that dotted the landscape were becoming worn out, and could no longer support a family.  They were abandoned to the natural forces that would eventually reclaim them to woodlands.  In 1900 it was estimated that 95 percent of New York was cleared farmland.  Today the state is more than 70 percent forested.  That changing environment became ideal for whitetail survival.

The whitetails responded accordingly.  Limited sport hunting for bucks only returned in the 1930’s.  By 1950 there was some limited doe hunting to control the herd size in certain areas, and wildlife management efforts of that day were admirably successful.  By 1970 every part of New York except certain portions of the Adirondack Park area had healthy populations of whitetail deer.

But a new trend began, probably sometime during the 1970’s.  Parts of New York, as in the rest of America, were becoming more urbanized.  Hunters had always been the primary tool used by  biologists to keep the deer population under control.  But years of conditioning hunters not to shoot does was hard to reverse as the need to remove female deer from the population became more urgent.  And fewer hunters were going afield with each passing year.  Older hunters began giving up sport hunting while youngsters were not being recruited in numbers sufficient to continue proper management controls.

Once again, the deer responded.  Their numbers began to mushroom in many areas as the population exploded.  And that is what people driving along back roads throughout the Finger Lakes region see today.  Lots of deer almost everywhere they might look.  There are several hayfields in the valley just south of the village of Middlesex that, on any given evening, contain from 20 to 50 or more deer.  And the entire area surrounding the Bristol Ski Resort contains similar high numbers of whitetails.

The tremendous deer population isn’t unique to New York State.  The national estimate on the number of deer in the continental U.S. stands at 21 million animals.  Virtually every state east of the Mississippi River is currently experiencing record high numbers of whitetails.  But, with few exceptions, the dramatic increase in their population can best be observed right here in the Finger Lakes region.

To better understand the whitetail deer situation in this area, it behooves us to learn more about the species itself.  Fossil evidence indicates that the whitetail deer (Odocoileus
virginianus) evolved into its current form around 300,000 years ago.  It survived the repeated glaciation of the North American continent, and thrived almost everywhere it found suitable habitat.  Today it is a wide-spread species across America, having adapted to virtually every climate from sub-tropical Florida and the desert southwest to the more temperate east coast, and across most of southern Canada.

The whitetail is, first and foremost, a survivor.  It’s keen sense of smell is probably its greatest asset.  A deer can smell potential danger at great distances, be it a predator or human, and long before that danger comes into view or can be heard.  Their sense of hearing is also extremely acute.  They con­stantly flick their ears forward and back as they strive to pick up the slightest sounds that might alert them to danger lurking nearby.  That is why, if it happens to be a windy or stormy day, there is little likelihood of seeing a deer grazing out in an open field where they are more vulnerable.

There are great variations in the whitetail’s normal size.  A typical mature buck in Maine will usually stand around 44 inches high at the shoulder, and often will weigh more than 250 pounds.  An adult Keys whitetail buck in extreme southern Florida, on the other hand, might not stand more than 30 inches tall at the shoulder or tip the scales at 60 pounds.  The average buck in the Finger Lakes area stands around 38 to 40 inches at the shoulder, and will weigh around 175 pounds.  Does are somewhat smaller, and a large adult female may stand only 36 inches tall and weigh only around 130 pounds.  The largest deer on record weighed an astonishing 425 pounds!

Only whitetail bucks generally have antlers.  The primary purpose for these two horn-like appendages on their heads is for fighting other bucks during the mating season or “rut.”  Antlers begin growing in April, and reach full size and hardness by September.  Then, during the entire rut period which may last from October to December, a buck seeks out as many does as he can find. If challenged by another buck over the rights to a doe, there might be a fight, with the victor usually winning the fair maiden.  During January through March, the buck sheds its antlers and begins growing a new set within just a few weeks.

A doe becomes a breeding adult at the age of seven months. The following spring she will probably have a single fawn.  After that, and for the rest of her breeding life, she will probably have twins if she is living in suitable habitat.  If, however, she is living in ideal habitat, it is not uncommon for mature does to have triplets.  And the opposite is also true, with does living under stressful conditions due to poor habitat or crowding by other deer more likely to have only a single fawn.

Fawns are “dropped” anytime between late April and June.  While they are wobbly-legged at first, the nourishing diet of their mother’s rich milk soon gives them the strength needed for survival.  They can be seen traveling with momma at around three weeks of age.  By the time they reach eight weeks, they are fully weaned and feeding on the same tender grasses and legumes that have
sustained their species for eons.

The unique coloration of fawns, white spots on a tawny to brown background, along with the fact they are almost odorless, enhances their chances for survival.  The white spots closely resemble splotches of sunlight on the ground.  Their main predators, coyotes and free-roaming domestic dogs, find it very difficult to detect them even at extremely close ranges.  I remember observing a fawn laying in a weed field while I was mowing, and I gave it a wide berth at the time.  Some time later, while taking a water break, I saw a coyote come out of the woods, obviously on the hunt.  It passed within five or six feet of the fawn, and never suspected the little critter was there.

Adult deer undergo a coloration change twice each year as they shed their hair coats.  One shed begins in the spring, and leaves them with a rich, reddish-brown color.  The hair in this coat is both solid and thin, giving the animal a sleek, almost skinny, appearance.  In the fall, a new hair coat begins to grow.  The deer appear more grayish, with shades of brown mixed in.  This hair is much thicker, and it is also hollow.  The combination of thicker, hollow hair means the deer is then equipped with an excellent source of insulation against the winter cold.

While it is true that whitetail deer are plentiful throughout the Finger Lakes region, their increased population is both a blessing and a bane.  For those humans who enjoy seeing them feeding in fields, the opportunities to pursue their hobby are literally unlimited.  In many cases they can park by the side of the road within just a few yards of feeding deer and, as long as they don’t make any sudden movements or loud noises, will probably be able to observe the critters to their heart’s content.

But too many deer also cause a lot of problems.  Crop losses sustained by farmers are, in an increasing number of cases, severe.  Deer are voracious eaters, and can quickly destroy whole crops in a field if enough of them are feeding there.  Since their appetite for farm crops is so varied, including corn, soybeans, sunflowers, all types of hay, sorghum, tomatoes and even the tender young shoots of Christmas trees, it is readily apparent that too many deer can spell disaster for many area farmers.

They don’t restrict their feeding to only farm crops, either.  Expensive ornamental trees and shrubs planted around houses can also fall victim to their eating habits.  Rose growers can be especially victimized as deer seem to relish the tender new shoots and flower buds on these otherwise thorn-covered plants.  And the ever-pop­ular arborvitae doesn’t stand a chance if deer are anywhere nearby.  It seems to attract them much like sugar water attracts bees.

Too many deer also adversely affects automobiles, literally.  It is not uncommon for there to be a dozen auto-deer accidents on any given night during the fall months.  And it isn’t just a case of cars running into deer, either.  More than a few drivers have actually passed by deer only to have them suddenly turn and run right into the side of the vehicle.  Regardless of why it happens, striking a deer with a car leaves a sickening feeling for anyone who happens to be involved in the accident.

And after the accident comes the insurance claim. Auto insurance rates have been steadily climbing as the deer population increases.  Those companies are paying more money in damages as a direct result of increased accident rates, and they are raising policy holder’s rates just to keep ahead of the red ink these situations can cause them.

As if that were not enough, there is a far more ominous problem to contend with.  The whitetail deer population has shown its greatest growth during the 1990’s, a decade during which western New York has experienced a series of relatively mild winters.  And meteorologists are now predicting a return to more “normal” winters as the cyclic shifting of the climate swings back the other way.  If the Finger Lakes region experiences a seriously cold winter with deep, crusted snows, our whitetail deer herds could be facing mass starvation.

As long as the deer can travel to good food supplies, they will survive.  But deep snows can cause them to “yard up,” or group together in a relatively small area.  They can become trapped there if the snow levels do not recede.  And, if the available food supply is used up and they cannot get to another source, they can easily starve to death.

But for now, I suggest we accept the positive side of a large and very healthy deer herd.
View them wherever they may be found, and enjoy the shear beauty of their grace and sleekness. Be careful not to startle them, but just enjoy one of the great wonders that nature has given us, and the Finger Lakes has put on display.
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The White Deer of Seneca
In central Seneca County there is an abandoned Army ordinance storage facility once known as the Seneca Army Depot.  Its 11,000 acres are famous to wildlife lovers from around the world because it is the home of all-white whitetail deer.  The current white deer population is estimated to be between 400 and 500 individual animals.  They freely intermix and interbreed with a similar population of typically ‘brown’ colored deer also contained inside the security fence.

The white deer of Seneca are not albinos.  They have brown eyes and brown or black hooves.  Many have varying amounts of brown hair showing on an otherwise white body, earning them the title of “piebald” deer.   The most unusual aspect of this unique population, aside from their naturally white color, is that they are no different than the ‘normally’ colored brown deer seen roaming farm fields throughout New York!

So how come some of the deer at Seneca are white?  Scientists think it may be a kind of throwback from the glacial periods.  It is scientifically assumed that, during the glacial periods, there were both white and brown deer.  But due to the near constant snow cover, predators naturally selected against brown deer because they were more easily seen.  Over several thousands of  years, white became the dominant color of the species, genetically speaking.

When the glaciers receded around 12,000 years ago the brown deer once again became the predominant coloration.  White deer were reduced because they were now the easier seen by predators.  But their genes still contained a dominant white chromosome.  The isolation of the Seneca Army Depot deer population simply allowed the dominant genes to reassert themselves under the protection of strict hunting regulations that, for many years, prohibited the shooting of any white deer.


by Len Lisenbee
Len Lisenbee makes his home in Potter, and is a frequent contributor to Canandaigua’s newspaper, The Daily Messenger.

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October 04, 2010

New York's State-Record Double Play

It’s not often that a state record is broken, but when it happens in back-to-back seasons, that’s news! Here’s the story behind the two biggest typical whitetails ever taken by Empire State bowhunters.

By Jeff Brown

We all love to read stories about new state-record bucks, particularly big, impressive typicals taken by bowhunters. But it is really something special when the same record falls in back-to-back seasons. That is exactly what happened during the 2002 and 2003 seasons when two New York state archers took state-record typicals in successive seasons.

According to the Northeast Big Buck Club, the Northeast region’s newest whitetail scoring and record-keeping organization, these are also the top two typical bucks killed by archers in the Northeast!

These two bucks rival many of the best archery typical bucks killed anywhere in the U.S. during that time period. Is this the proof we need to assert New York’s right to claim that it is a prime destination for bowhunters looking to connect on trophy bucks?

That question may be open to debate, but there is no question that these two 180-class archery bucks will raise some eyebrows.

THE WEINERTH BUCK

Mike Weinerth has been bowhunting deer for almost 20 years, primarily in his home state of New York. The 36-year-old archer is active in the hunting community, and in fact, founded his own hunting club, the Mahogany Ridge Buck Club. Weinerth is the president of that 100-member club, and is also a member of the Weedsport Rod and Gun Club.

When he isn’t busy with his hunting clubs, Weinerth spends as much time in the field as he can. He has arrowed a few decent bucks in the past, including several 8- and 9-pointers. As he entered the 2003 season, he had yet to connect on a «really big one» with his bow. Well, he can’t say that anymore. Thanks to a broken-down truck and big piece of farm equipment, Weinerth now has one great buck hanging on his wall!

At about noon on Oct. 28, 2003, Weinerth headed out to one of his favorite ambush spots. He had been hunting a new funnel that morning and needed to travel about 10 miles to get to his afternoon destination. As he was coming back through town, he lost the muffler from his pickup truck: Not good! In town, he ran into some of his buddies, who cut off his dangling muffler and got him going again. But this was not going to be a good day, because shortly after that the truck just conked out!

Weinerth called his girlfriend, Annette, and she was able to come and pick him up. He left his hunting gear in his truck and they headed home.

Along the way, they passed a gully Weinerth always looks into, hoping to see some deer. And guess what, this time there was a deer lying in the gully! The couple turned around and went back, and this time noticed a huge rack attached to the body bedded in the gully. And there was Weinerth with no bow, no suit and no truck — nothing!

Weinerth and Annette quickly turned around and drove back to the truck they left in town. On the way, they got caught in a traffic roadblock, and Weinerth was going crazy!

Finally, they reached his truck and Weinerth grabbed his clothes, bow and some other gear, turned around and headed back, hoping the monster buck would still be there. On the way, they got stuck behind a combine that was moving as slow as molasses! Weinerth thought he would lose his mind, but finally the combine turned left, and they passed it just before reaching the gully.

Weinerth jumped out and walked diagonally across the big field to peek over the gully to see if the buck was still there. Just as he reached the edge, the same combine came lumbering up the road. Weinerth could see the buck was still lying there with his rear end facing him at a quartering angle.

The buck was watching the noisy combine as it went by and never saw or smelled Weinerth. While the buck’s attention was focused on the passing combine, Weinerth drew his bow and let the arrow fly. The arrow covered the 30-yard distance and hit the buck toward the back, around the liver area. The startled buck jumped up, and Weinerth could see some blood on his back.

The buck took off across a field toward some woods, and Weinerth followed. A few minutes later, Weinerth found his trophy!

Heart still pounding and with his mind spinning out of control, Weinerth was still in shock. The whole experience was just beyond belief. He could only stare at the giant rack and the huge body it was attached to.

Then, he realized that he didn’t even have a knife to field dress the monster. So, he just grabbed those big antlers and started dragging. The buck weighed nearly 275 pounds before it was dressed, but the excitement and adrenaline gave Weinerth the strength to drag the big buck across the field by himself.

He knew he would have quite a story to tell his friends when he got back to town! Who would ever believe that a lost muffler and getting stuck behind a big, noisy combine would be the key ingredients for taking his «buck of a lifetime!»

Sometime later, after all of the excitement and storytelling was over, Weinerth went to a sportsman’s show in Syracuse and met Paul Chapdelaine, vice-president of the Northeast Big Buck Club, the whitetail scoring and record-keeping organization in the Northeast. He showed Chapdelaine the photos of his buck, and after Paul picked his jaw up off the floor, he convinced Weinerth to bring him the rack back to have it officially scored.

Weinerth’s dad brought the rack back to the show the next day, and several scorers from the NBBC panel scored the great buck in front of a crowd of more than 50 people. It was quite an event, and the outcome was worth the wait!

The Weinerth buck is impressive in every way. The typical 11-point frame grosses a whopping 181 3/8 inches and nets 168 6/8 Pope and Young points. The inside spread is 20 3/8 inches complemented by main beams in excess of 26 inches, giving the buck a very wide and sweeping look.

There are four tines in excess of 10 inches, including the left G-2, which is 13 2/8 inches long! This buck has very good mass as well, with bases of 5 5/8 inches and 5 6/8 inches.

There is an unmatched and short G-5 on the left side (1 6/8 inches long) and a 2 5/8-inch abnormal sticker point off the left brow tine, both of which bring the net score down, but this also gives the buck additional character and appeal.

These two small deductions keep the Weinerth buck from making the Boone and Crockett Club’s All-Time Awards level of 170 net typical points, but the net score of 168 6/8 puts him well over the minimum book entry score of 160 inches. In short, this buck stands atop the list of New York archery typicals with its gross score, according to the Northeast Big Buck

Club records.

But, it only holds the No. 1 spot by 7/8 of an inch when ranked by gross score. Another great buck taken in 2002 sits less than 1 inch behind Weinerth’s buck in the all-time record books!

The Kruger buck ranks behind the Weinerth buck by 7/8 inches for the NBBC, but measures 1 6/8 inches more under P{amp}amp;Y and B{amp}amp;C rules! It ranked No. 1 for two weeks! Photo courtesy of Tjaart Kruger

THE KRUGER BUCK

Oneida County hunter Tjaart Kruger has taken four deer with a bow in four years of hunting. On Oct. 25, 2002, while hunting the family farm in Oneida County, Kruger arrowed a huge 10-point typical buck that holds a share of the state record. It is the largest net-scoring archery typical in the state and is less than 1 inch away from being the current state record for gross score. Regardless of the score, this is one amazing 10-point buck!

This great deer was no stranger to Kruger and his family, who had many photos of the deer captured on tracking cameras. For three years, the group had followed the growth of this great buck and every one of them hoped he would venture past their stands. Remarkably, no one saw the incredible buck in the woods during daylight hours until that fateful October day.

Kruger entered the woods around 6:30 a.m. that morning. It was a perfect day for hunting: cold, crisp, clear and frosty white. But the morning was relatively uneventful until just before 8 a.m. when several does wandered past his stand. Kruger had «nuisance tags» for the farm and decided that this would be a great day to arrow a doe for meat.

Kruger raised his bow and was about to release an arrow when he noticed movement behind the does. That’s when he saw him. The big buck trotted out behind the does and paused just 15 yards from Kruger’s stand!

Kruger quickly re-adjusted his position and swung the bow over for a shot at the giant buck. The arrow hit a little high, but it looked like a good lung shot. The big buck didn’t know what hit him, and trotted away and out of Kruger’s view. But when Kruger heard a loud crash, he knew the big buck had gone down!

Amazed at the turn of events and the suddenness of what had just taken place, Kruger gathered his gear and crept out of the woods to give the deer time to lie down and die.

He came back an hour later and found the buck just where he expected to. But when he got there, he could not believe the size of the deer’s rack and body.

Kruger went for help to get this buck (which would later be weighed in at an amazing 245 pounds dressed) out of the woods.

For a week, people came in and out to see buck. The reaction in the community was amazing. Word spread like wildfire and the big archery monster was the talk of the town. The mount of Kruger’s buck hangs in his store and continues to attract attention.

Kruger contacted Jim Down, a NBBC official, to get the great buck scored. The final score was 180 4/8 gross and 170 4/8 net Pope and Young points.

The buck has 10 scoreable typical points and an additional scoreable abnormal point on the right side that does not count toward the gross score, but does negatively impact the net typical score.

Like the Weinerth buck, the Kruger buck has an excellent inside spread (21 1/8 inches) complemented by main beams in excess of 26 inches each. The rack sports some impressive tine length as well, with long brow tines (both over 7 inches) and G-2s that measure 11 2/8 inches and 9 5/8 inches, respectively.

The mass is outstanding throughout, with total mass measurements in excess of 42 inches! The bases are 5 3/8 and 5 6/8 inches, and five of the eight circumference measurements exceed 5 inches.

The Kruger buck ranks behind the top-ranked Weinerth buck by just 7/8 inches gross for the NBBC, but actually nets 1 6/8 inches better than the Weinerth buck under Pope and Young and Boone and Crockett scoring rules! The NBBC uses the same scoring method as Boone and Crockett and Pope and Young, but ranks its entries by gross score (before deductions) rather than by net score (after deductions). But no matter how it ranks, this is a phenomenal archery buck!

QUITE A COMPARISON

Both of these New York typical bucks have higher gross scores than any other archery bucks ever arrowed anywhere in the Northeast! Prior to 2002, the largest archery buck from the Northeast (which by definition includes Rhode Island, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire and New York) was taken by Maine bowhunter William Boston. His buck gross scored 178 4/8 as an 11-point typical. It was taken on a September bowhunt in 1999 in York County, Maine, while the buck was still in velvet. Boston’s buck is now the No. 3 typical in the Northeast behind both the Kruger and Weinerth bucks.

Archer Ron Tavrick took the No. 4 buck in Connecticut in 1989. The Tavrick buck gross scores a whopping 175 inches as a 10-point typical and nets 171 6/8 inches. Tavrick took his buck in Litchfield County in the western part of the state.

Any year in which a record is broken once is a «special year.» But to break the same record twice in successive seasons — that is really something for hunters to talk about. These two deer are good examples of what is possible for archers in New York State. Given the continued growth of bowhunting, and the apparent unending supply of trophy bucks in New York, you can bet that this will not be the last time this record is broken.

What are the odds that New York would have also broken its non-typical archery record twice in the same season? Well, that’s exactly what happened in 2002.

Last year, we brought you the stories of the McMullen and Butta bucks, which took over the No. 1 and No. 2 spots in New York for archery non-typicals.

At 180 4/8 inches gross NBBC and 176 7/8 inches net Pope and Young, the McMullen buck is the largest non-typical archery buck from this state and is the largest non-typical archery buck from any state in the Northeast in 2002.

The Butta buck was a very close second at 179 4/8 inches gross NBBC and 170 1/8 inches net Pope and Young points. Both bucks beat the former No. 1 non-typical buck from New York, replacing the 173 2/8 Anthony Alesi buck taken in Suffolk County in 1997.

In the northeastern U.S. (including New York and all of New England), these bucks rank No. 3 and No. 4. The largest non-typical archery buck from the region is Glenn Townsend’s 216 7/8 New Hampshire 20-pointer taken in 2000, followed by the 17-point Christopher Krista buck from Connecticut’s 1998 archery season that score

d 199 1/8.

It is safe to assume that New York remains one of the most productive trophy states for archers in the Northeast, and should be considered a prime destination for the region’s bowhunters.

According to the NBBC’s records, in the last two years, New York has produced the top four archery bucks in the Northeast. Who knows what great stories will come out of the 2004 season?

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Every year nearly 300 new record book whitetails are entered in New York State. Here are the top record whitetail bucks taken in New York, by category, as recorded by the New York State Big Buck Club.

Gun Typical

Roosevelt Luckey Buck

Score: 198 2/8
Number of Points: 14
Year Taken: 1939
County: Allegany

Gun Non-Typical

Homer Boylan Buck

Score: 244 2/8
Number of Points: 26
Year Taken: 1939
County: Allegany

Archery Typical

Rich Johnson Buck

Score: 180 1/8
Number of Points: 14
Year Taken: 1998
County: Westchester

Archery Non-Typical

Mike Giarraputo Buck

Score: 210 4/8
Number of Points: 23
Year Taken: 2011
County: Suffolk

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Muzzleloader Typical

Greg Radford Buck

Score: 166 7/8
Number of Points: 11
Year Taken: 2002
County: Livingston

Muzzleloader Non-Typical

Keith Levick Buck

Score: 221 0/8
Number of Points: 22
Year Taken: 2007
County: Niagara

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By David Figura l dfigura@NYup.com

The biggest buck (antler-wise) shot in New York State last fall (shown above) was a 30-pointer downed with a crossbow in the town of Baldwinsville in Onondaga County near the very end of the season.

The hunter who shot that deer and 7 others who submitted trophy bucks for consideration from the 2016 season were given plaques at the annual New York State Big Buck Club banquet held Sept. 16 at the Rusty Nail Restaurant in Canastota. In addition, three bear hunters were also given plaques.

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All the deer honored were critiqued by a panel of three official club measurers using the Boone and Crockett scoring system. Under the club’s rules, a set of antlers cannot be officially scored until 60 days from the date it was taken. During those 60 days, the antlers must be air-dried at normal room temperature and not frozen or stored in a freezer.

Some 75 hunters were honored at the banquet. The club considers sets of antlers two ways. A “typical” rack is one in which both sides of the antlers are symmetrical. A “non-typical”  rack is one in which the sides are not symmetrical.

Plaques were given to eight award winners in the following deer categories: bow (typical); bow (non-typical); gun (typical); gun (typical); gun (non-typical); crossbow (non-typical); muzzleloader (typical), found (hit by a motor vehicle, non-typical) — and shed (a set of antlers found after they were shed by the deer, typical).

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The Baldwinsville Crossbow Buck

Bob Ortolani, of Baldwinsville, took this 30-point buck on Dec. 18. It was on a day during which he put up with freezing rain and then snow. At one point, he had to free up his crossbow that had froze to his treestand.

The massive buck had a non-typical rack. It sported 19 antler points on the left side and 11 on the right. It initially weighed 191 pounds and then 150 pounds after it was field-dressed. It had no fat left after the physical demands of the rut, he said. The gross score for the antlers was 229 6/8 inches. The net score was 210. The net score is the final score once inches are deducted for lack of symmetry on the rack, he said.

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‘His hooves were huge’

Steve Green from Lansing NY arrowed this 15- point buck in the town of Ithaca in Tompkins County on Oct. 19. Shot at 20 yards, it dressed out at 230 pounds, he said. It placed first in the non-typical category for bow hunters. Green said he had been seeing the deer the previous two years but never got close enough for shot. He said he released his arrow when the buck came within 20 yards. «The first thing I noticed (apart from his rack) was his feet. His hooves were huge,» he said.

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Biggest bow buck (typical rack)

The biggest buck taken with a bow with typical antlers that was honored by the club was taken by Gary Sweatland of Madison County on Oct. 16. The buck had 12 points and had a gross score of 167 4/8 inches and a net score of 160 4/8 inches.

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Biggest buck taken with a gun (non-typical)

Christmas came early last year for Tompkins County deer hunter Craig Pyhtila, of Enfield, who shot this 23-point buck on his property on Dec. 4. It won the NYS Big Buck Club’s award for the largest buck with a non-typical rack taken with a gun. One  noteworthy fact is that it was shot about a mile away from where Steve Green got his big 15-point buck with a bow earlier in the season.

«I was lucky,» he said. «I had to catch him with a doe, which I did. Otherwise, he’d be hanging out in the thicket each day. When bucks get with does, they make poor decisions.»

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Biggest buck taken with a gun (typical rack)

William Stewart of Saratoga County received a plaque from the club for the biggest buck taken with a gun that had a typical rack. His 11-point buck scored a gross score of 186 3/8 and had a net score of 178 5/8.

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Biggest buck taken with muzzleloader (typical)

David Johnson, of Chautauqua County, topped the field in the muzzleloader category with his impressive 15-point buck he shot Dec. 13. The gross score on the antlers was 167 4/8;  net score was 151 2/8.

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Biggest «found» buck

Jim Murphy, of Fabius, with his impressive 15-point buck that he accidentally hit with his truck on N0v. 3 the way home from hunting in Booneville. The taxidermist who handled the shoulder mount called it a «world class deer.» The buck’s antlers had a gross score of 194 7/8 inches, and a net score of 180 4/8 inches.

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Biggest set of shed antlers

John Van Hoff, of Erie County, was give a plaque for the biggest shed (found pair of shed antlers).  The set of typical antlers had 10 points was found Feb. 10. The gross score was 151 2/8 inches and the net score was 149 4/8 inches. No photo was available.

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Bear hunters also recognized

Three bear hunters were also given plaques by the NYS Big Buck Club at their banquet. They included Robert Boro of Delaware County for this bruin that he shot with his gun on Sept. 10, 2016; William Curtis of Orange County for his bear that he arrowed with his bow on Oct. 15, 2015 — and Bronk Smykla of Oneida County, (see photo above) who shot his bear with a muzzleloader on Oct. 17, 2015.

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Send us your 2017 bow buck photos

The bow hunting season for deer in the Northern Zone began Sept. 28. In the Southern Zone, the opener is Oct. 1. Send us photos of your big bucks. Send to outdoors writer David Figura at dfigura@NYup.com. Only tasteful photos will be accepted. Shots with excessive blood or ones that show the deer’s tongue hanging out will not accepted. Include the full name of the hunter, where he or she lives, when and where the deer was taken, how many points are on its rack — and the length of the shot.

In the above photo, Jordan Telvock, 18, of Romulus, poses in the grass with a huge, 13-point buck he shot with his bow on Oct 7, 2015 from a treestand.

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Typical Gun 143 
He weighed 202 pounds after hanging for a day. Scored 11 points due to deductions 150 gross 143 net and was at least five years. Taken on November 13, …

Muzzleloader Bear scored 19-7 
Cattauragus County… Town Allegany, NY muzzleloader kill dressed 315 lbs

Typical gun 160 6/8 
Huge HEAVY beam buck scored 165 7/8 gross 160 6/8 final score Boone and Crockett NAMED «THE MINA MONSTER » Was taken the last weekend of gun season 2017 …

Typical Rifle, 146 7/8″ 
This buck was taken in the town of Avoca on opening day 2017, first thing in the morning. Actually heard him chasing doe in the dark for a good 10 minutes. …

Crossbow 
My 9 point taken in Zoar Valley NY 2017
He came in on a very large doe. When she hit on my location he turned and I took the shot. Very thankful

Crossbow, 140-5 
I shot this 13-point buck on November 4, 2017 in Mendon, NY. It was my first time hunting with a crossbow. Gross score was 154-1.

Typical gun gross score 179 4 (green). My First deer ever! 
This was my first deer I have ever taken. Was taken in Kendall NY Nov 18 2017 at 4pm. I had watched him for 3 months roam the area. On nov 18 he came …

Typical Gun  
10-point taken in Edwards, NY… St. Lawrence County on Thanksgiving day 2017

Typical Bow 
200 lb. 10-point… Gross green score 147.75… net 141.25… Killed on November 2, 2017
in the Town of Scott, NY in Cortland County

Typical 143.4 
This ten pointer was taken opening day of shotgun, 60 degrees. This bad boy just walked right to me. Only a 15 yard shot.

Unique Rack 
Took this buck second week of gun 2016 , Just wanted to post a pic so people can see. He’s unique

Typical crossbow 141 1/8 
I harvested this buck on November 20th 2016 in Clarkson N.Y. Monroe county. 13 point 141 1/8 net

Non Typical Bow  
My father Jim Hudgins shot this archery buck in Suffolk County on 11/27/16 while hunting by himself.

We got it green scored at 220 gross by our taxidermist. …

Typical Gun, 147 
Harvested on November 19, 2016 at 9am ET. I heard the crunching of leaves as he approached me. I was looking out the opposite window of my blind. As …

Crossbow  
He is an 11 pt and weighs 170 dressed. he was shot in owego, ny on 11-12-16.

Typical Bow 
8-PT BUCK BOW KILL BY RATTLE AND GRUNT TACTIC. ON OCTOBER 28, 2016 AFTER GETTING OUT OF WORK I CLIMB INTO MY TREE STAND A 4:30PM. IT WAS A COOL EVENING …

Typical bow 157.3 12 point 
It was November 1st 2013 sitting in my stand where 3 days prior I seen the buck we call picket fence. It was a rather slow night and getting close to the …

Typical Bow 
I took this 9 pointer on November 10, 2014 chasing a doe. My biggest buck to date.

Typical Gun, 158-1  
The buck scored 173-5 gross and 158-1 net. I shot him on Nov. 14, 2015 in Saratoga county, town of Day.

I was still hunting at the time and saw the …

Typical Gun, 150.3  
Taken 12-12-15 in Franklinville, NY… Cattaraugus County. 9-pt, Gross Score 150-3, Net Score 140-5 Biggest buck of my life.

Typical Bow 126-1 
Typical 10 point shot in Kendall NY

Typical Gun, 144-4 
Gross score of 148-6. Ten points with long brow tines and very few deductions. Still in shock.

Typical, Gun 
Anthony S. Pennachio Sr. shot this 8 pt. buck on Nov 21, 2015 in Oswego, NY with his custom made 300 Win Mag

Archery 2015 
Took this 8 point in Rathbone, NY in Steuben County on Friday, November 13, 2015. Walked right in to within 8 yards. My Uncle Ron Worboys helped track …

Typical Gun 159-2 
I had a friend come up to Danby NY to hunt with me back in 2002 because hunting was suspended in his area (MD) due to that sniper incident. First night …

Typical Archery 124-3 
8-point typical
126 5/8 gross
124 3/8 net
20 3/8 inside
Monroe County

Two years and tons of pictures of this deer. Stopped him at 15 yards following …

Typical, Archery 
I took this awesome 13-point buck on November 7, 2014 on state land in Allegany County.

He and four much smaller bucks were chasing a doe. This was …

TYPICAL GUN NOT RATED 
END OF THE SECOND DAY SOUTHERN TIER RIFLE SEASON THE BLUE JAYS TOLD ME A DEER WAS COMING TO MY GOLDENROD BRUSH LOT. I SAW A TREE TOP SHAKING OVER THE BANK …

Archery Bear 22-10/16 
Arthur Anson with 250 lb. bear taken in St Lawrence County at 15 yards with PSE DNA and RAGE broadhead.

Typical-Bow 134-2 
My 35 year Dream Came TRUE

After 35 years of bow hunting I finally got a buck that I have been dreaming about for years. On Oct. 25, 2014 I killed the …

Typical Gun 130 
My dad went up to Kansas that week wasn’t expecting to go up to NY for opening day of rifle this year but he got a monster 10 point whitetail buck opening …

Non Typical Gun 
Taken in Chenango County by Brandon Smith, on 11/15/2014, 16-point, 22 inch spread, field dressed at 200lbs, in the process of being scored

Typical Gun, 146-5 
Tony Sparozic, Harvested 11/25/2014 in Orange County, NY. 22″ spread, 146 1/2 green gross score, green net score 141 5/8, estimated live weight 220lb…. …

Typical Bow, 129-5 
Nine point buck taken by Jeremy Meisenzahl in Monroe County… Henrietta New York Buck taken on 10-28-2014

Typical Gun, 150 3/8 
Taken in Livingston County on 11/25/2014. 25.5″ main beams and a 21″ spread.

Typical Gun 
12-Point buck with 18 inch spread, shot in Schuyler County… Town of Orange, November 16, 2014.

Typical Gun 
11 point buck taken at 7:30AM in Erie County on 11/15/14 by Gary Balone.

Gun 
9 point

Typic gun 
Madeline Alfieri shot this 7-point in the Town of Rush in Monroe County on 11/15/2014

Archery Typical 151-7 
Taken on Nov. 4, 2012 with a bow and is the new Chemung County record archery buck. Gross score 156 7/8… Net 151 7/8.

Typical Gun 151-5 
I took this beautiful buck on November 20, 2013 right during the peak rut. A cold day with about four inches of fresh snow. It was a classic story of a …

Typical Bow, 124-3 
This is my 9-point taken with my bow on October 12, 2013 on an evening sit in Livingston County. Gross score 129-7, net 124-3 field dressed at 198 lbs. …

125-7 123 archery typical 
I got this deer in 2000 when I was in high school on the opening night of archery season. He came up the ridge I’ve seen him the year before. So I moved …

Typical Archery, 129-5 
The 13-point grossed 137-7 with a net of 129-5, he weighed 160lbs, had a 18 6/8″ spread and was taken on Nov. 1, 2013. This was the first buck I had ever …

Typical Archery, 135-1 Gross, 131-7 Net.  
My largest archery buck to date and my first entry into the Book. A typical 10 point with a very tight rack. Taken on 10/13/2013 in Seneca County.

Archery Non-Typical net 176 1/8 gross 182 1/8 Livingston County 
This buck was taken November 8, 2013 in Livingston County, NY.

Typical Gun, 143-0  
10-point taken in Killawog, NY. The buck dressed out at 202 lbs. 18 1/2″ inside spread. G3’s are 11 3/4″. Taken on November 26, 2013.

Gun  
9 point 16″ spread my friend Shawn Weirs shot him in Otisco, NY Onondaga County 11/16/13

Typical Bow 140 1/4 
I was hunting on November 7 2013 with my 12 year old son Joseph in Cayuga county. It’s his first year hunting for deer. We had seen this buck two times …

Typical Archery 151.7 
The buck is a 10-point, weighed in at 240 pounds, with a 20 inch spread. The gross score is 156.7 and net 151.7. Taken in Chemung County, NY on November …

2012 Non-Typical Archery, 188-1 gross 172-4 net 
I shot him October 1, 2012 at 41 yards after he came by with two other times about 65 yards with a 8pt and 6pt. Finally the third time he decided too take …

Typical Gun 140-3 
10-point weighing 179 lbs dressed. State land in Delaware County.

Typical Archery 136-1 
9-point buck taken by bow in Livingston County on 10/4/2012. During the spring of 2012, my son found the left side shed from the previous season, about …

Typical Archery, 134-5 
8-point, Inside spread 17-1/2
G2 left side 12-1 right side 10-3
4 1/2 year old dressed 215lb
First deer ever taken with bow

Typical archery, 140-4 
This is a buck that I have trail camera pictures of from 2011 and 2012. I got a picture of him on October 1st so I had hopes he would stay in the area. …

Typical Gun, 19 1/16 Black Bear 
Black Bear
Hunter: Michael Austin
Taken With: Browning A-bolt 30-06
Location: Kumph Mountain, Essex County NY
Final Score: 19 {amp}amp; 1/16
Weight: 320 …

Typical Gun, 173-5 Gross. 
Wyoming County 12-point, officially scored as a typical-Gross total 173-5 by NYBBC, Non-typical net 168-4, Typical net 150-4. Aged at 4-1/2 years old. …

Archery Buck 165-5/8 
17-point buck taken on Veterans day 2012 near Bloomfield, NY with bow. He was determined to be roughly 2-1/2years old and dressed out at around 175lbs. …

Typical — Muzzleloader, Green Score 169.4 
10-Point taken 11/25/2012 with TC Encore 50 Ca. Muzzleloader, 150 gr. Triple Seven powder and
245 gr. Aerotip Powerbelt Sabot.
Gross Score 169.4, Inside …

Typical, Gun 
Heather White started off with a bang — this 12 point buck taken in Hillsdale, NY, Columbia County, on 11/18/12 was very her first deer.

She used her …

12/12/12 Muzzleloader Buck 
Matt Bennett and his 12/12/2012 Livingston County buck taken with TC muzzloader. Not yet scored.

Non-Typical Archery, 
12-point non typical buck scoring 140(green, 160lbs having a 14″ inside spread. 10 minutes before I shot the buck it was getting chased by a coyote.I called …

typical gun 
11 point shot opening day of shotgun 2012 in Seneca Falls, NY

Typical Gun 
Didn’t know about this club, shot this buck sometime ago but all ways thought it was a brute for Broome County NY.

Typical Gun, 10-pt Unscored 
This buck was shot by Joe Curesky in Ulster County in the town of Kerhonkson. It was shot on Friday morning 11/23/12 at 7:30AM. It is a 10-point with an …

Typical Gun — 151 Gross 
12-point taken 11-19-2011 187 lbs in Caroline NY Tioga County. Scored 151 gross

Typical Gun, 157-0 
This typical 8-point was taken by Tom Cunningham opening day of the 2012 regular firearms season in Onondaga County. The buck had a live weight of 210 …

Typical Gun 164-3 
«The Second Chance Buck», his second mistake was my second chance to score.

The Buck was shot in Springwater, New York on 11/17/12 and has 12 points. …

195 lbs 10-Point 
This Deer was harvested by David Gerardi in Saratoga County 19inch inside spread , with 30 inch neck. This is the biggest buck taken on the family Farm. …

2012 Typical Gun.. Not Scored 
My opening day buck taken in Middleburgh, NY (Schoharie Co.)

Typical Bow Green Score 152 
It started out a pretty chilly morning, me and my nephew were hunting. We first encountered a 6 point. I was grunting at him and my nephew shot at him …

Typical Archery, 140-3 
This is my 2011 archery buck harvested in Genesee Co. He is an 8 point with an 18 inch inside spread with 24.5 main beams. He has 10.5 inch G2’s and dressed …

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